22:28] <Muffins> No, haven't talked to anyone yet....wanted to see if I could by chance "cease all fire"
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(Small Talk waiting for Trebor to return)
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22:44] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> im back
22:46] <Muffins> hello, I stopped in to see if there were any possibilities of a cease fire and an end to all this death and destruction.  :)
22:46] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> theres always a possibility
22:46] <Muffins> excellent.  Ilike possibilities.
22:46] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> but ill tell you right now that unless we see an immediate start of recalls we wont even consider anything
22:47] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> weve put up with too many false proposals and ever changing stories
22:47] <Muffins> Who would you like to recall?  The only attacker active right now is me.
22:47] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> ah so one of the two that calvinius promised has left?
22:47] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> another change
22:48] <Calvinius> yeah, killjoy went to bed
22:48] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> when was that
22:48] <Muffins> Killjoy went to bed.  It's just me.
22:49] <Calvinius> 21:33
22:49] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> how convenient
22:49] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> you guys really have a lot of coincidences huh
22:49] <Muffins> Sorry.  People sleep.  It happens.
22:49] <Calvinius> though there are a few people not on IRC who we might be able to reach
22:49] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> ok ill make it easy for you
22:50] <Muffins> Calvin: that might take more time than the attack has, as of now.
22:50] <Muffins> Please do.  I like easy.
22:50] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> recall 30k from the attack on me from the first wave and we will consider anything else you have to offer at that time
22:50] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> thats 30k in creatures
22:50] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> i dont want you to think that 30k in attack defense will cover it
22:51] <Calvinius> I don't think that's possible...
22:51] <Muffins> I'm sorry, but that is impossible as of now.  Although the door of negotiations seems to be closed, I would like to put on the table a complete and official cease fire from all parties.
22:51] <Calvinius> Muffins is the only one both online and who launched on you
22:52] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> guess you should have recalled when you had the chance
22:52] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> waiting until after one person leaves to come back and talk is pretty shady dont you think?
22:52] <Muffins> You would ask a senior of his alliance to recall from the people that follow him?  Would you do the same in my place, Trebor?
22:53] <Calvinius> trebor: we were waiting on you
22:53] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> I told you the terms
22:53] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> all you had to do was recall
22:53] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> you chose not to
22:54] <Muffins> And I'm telling you that is impossible.  So then I offered a counter argument of ceasefire.  Where would you like to go from there?
22:54] <Calvinius> recall for a possibility of a cease fire with free launches from ROOS?
22:54] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> ah well that offer is unacceptalbe
22:54] <Muffins> Mind if I ask why?
22:55] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> we have repeatedly given you our terms for peace
22:55] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> you denied them
22:55] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> we offered you a ceasefire
22:55] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> you broke it
22:55] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> now you want another ceasefire
22:55] <[ROOS]Twinge> Why would we agree to a ceasfire with you now?
22:55] <[ROOS]Twinge> Seriously?
22:55] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> and yet would not agree to our terms for that ceasefire
22:55] <[ROOS]Twinge> You ask Trebor to puit himself in your shoes; do the same.
22:55] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> to be even considered
22:55] <Muffins> May I talk now?
22:55] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> go right ahead
22:55] <Muffins> Thank you.
22:57] <[SDM]MARK> hmmmmm
22:57] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> was just thinking the same thing
22:57] <Muffins> Whomever broke the ceasefire, we are looking into it right now.  This war also happens to occur at the same time as Lekter is leaving Evo.  During this ceasefire, Lekter was in charge.  Now it is Heinzi, Calvin and I.  We are doing our best to make things different, 
22:57] <Muffins> and apologize for what has gone on before between you and Lekter, but he is not here right now.
22:57] <[ROOS]Twinge> It wasn't just Lekter.
22:57] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> anything else?
22:57] <Muffins> And he is not negotiating for us.
22:58] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> is that it?
22:58] <Muffins> Twinge: who was in charge then?
22:58] <Muffins> Yep, that's what I had to say.  Thanks.
22:58] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> who was in charge today?
22:58] <Muffins> I was.
22:58] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> and who was in charge yesterday
22:59] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> is that a tough question?
22:59] <[SDM]MARK> is there anything about IPG not retaliating against SDm
22:59] <[SDM]MARK> in the ceasefire talks
22:59] <Muffins> Heinzi was to handle negotiations yesterday
22:59] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> ok
22:59] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> and who was in charge the day before
23:00] <Muffins> Trebor, what is the point of this please?
23:00] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> id like to know who was in charge on those three days
23:00] <[ROOS]Twinge> Point of what?
23:00] <Calvinius> the line of questioning
23:00] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> i just told you
23:00] <Muffins> The point of asking who was in charge each day....what is the real question you would like to ask?
23:00] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> that is the real question
23:00] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> so again i ask
23:01] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> who was in charge that day
23:01] <Muffins> As far as I know, negotiations were set for Monday.  There was nothing to be in charge of.
23:01] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> and yet 4 of your members launched
23:02] <Muffins> This is still being investigated.....do you have the names of the four attackers?
23:02] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> we offered you a break and you used it to hit BT
23:02] <[ROOS]Twinge> Wait, what?
23:02] <[ROOS]Twinge> You don't know who launched, STILL?
23:02] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> they dont know who attacked twinge
23:02] * [ROOS]Twinge facepalms
23:02] <Muffins> No Twinge,many members are still offline.  PLease share with us.
23:02] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> now you broke the ceasefire after lekter was "out of office"
23:03] <Muffins> Would you like to find a resollution, or would you like to attempt to insult us more guys?
23:03] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> you attacked not only BT
23:03] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> but Mark as well
23:03] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> youve now attacked me
23:03] <[SDM]MARK> yep
23:03] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> and you want us to ceasefire
23:03] <Muffins> Please: who attacked you?
23:03] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> you have not shown us a want for a ceasefire
23:03] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> simply more and more launches
23:04] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> the best part was while calvinius was offering a ceasefire 7 more people launched on me
23:04] <Muffins> I'm fairly sure I answered all your questions.  Please answer mine.
23:04] <[ROOS]Twinge> I don't see how you guys can even trust your own members if no one in IPG supposedly knows what's going on
23:04] <Calvinius> I got no certain terms on that
23:04] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> his promise that no others would launch was pretty funny when that fact was taken into account
23:04] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> who attacked me?
23:04] <Calvinius> so I didn't message anyone
23:04] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> your entire alliance is attacking me at the moment
23:04] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> and all of them attacked mark yesterday
23:04] <Calvinius> I'm not going to tell IPG something unless I know its going to happen
23:04] <Muffins> Trebor, why are you dodging this one question?
23:05] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> and but for the one guy that forgot to recall
23:05] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> dodging???
23:05] <Muffins> yes.
23:05] <Muffins> dodging
23:05] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> do you not know who attacked?
23:05] <Calvinius> "all of them attacked mark yesterday" - Obviously not muffins and I
23:05] <[ROOS]Twinge> Muffins: You said Heinzi was supposed to be responsible for discussions yesterday?
23:05] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> so then you guys arent in charge
23:05] <Muffins> Trebor: why are you dodging the question?
23:05] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> i am not
23:05] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> you guys obviously arent in charge
23:05] <Muffins> Why isn't is answered then?
23:05] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> we were wrong to discuss anything with you
23:05] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> please in the future
23:06] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> send the person in charge to discuss matters with us
23:06] <Muffins> Wow.....what secret are you guys trying to hold on to??
23:06] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> none
23:06] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> we just dont believe you
23:06] <[ROOS]Twinge> Exactly.
23:06] <Muffins> Then answer the question.
23:06] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> youve given us no reason to trust you
23:07] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> and in fact youve given us every reason not to trust you
23:07] <[ROOS]Twinge> We don't really feel like playing your game
23:07] <Muffins> Then peace talks will never exist?
23:07] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> the idea that someone in charge wouldnt know who launched on who is ludicrous
23:07] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> not as long as you keep pretending not to know what your alliance is doing
23:07] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> or if you actually dont know
23:07] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> then you have no way of guaranteeing anyting
23:07] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> which is it
23:08] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> are you unable to control your alliance
23:08] <Muffins> Trebor: you have a lot of unresolved anger.  Do you see a therapist regulalry?
23:08] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> or have you been in control the whole time
23:08] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> look at that
23:08] <[ROOS]Twinge> Ah, the personal insults.  I suppose it was about time =)
23:08] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> another person resorting to foolish insults
23:08] <Calvinius> Muffins!
23:08] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> have a nice day muffins
23:08] <Muffins> No, really.  I am concerned for your mental health!
23:08] * [ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon sets mode: +b *!chatzilla@*.nwrk.east.verizon.net
23:08] * Muffins was kicked by [ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon ([ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon)
23:08] <[ROOS]Twinge> He poses a very valid queston
23:09] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> no twinge i dont see a therapist regularly
23:09] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> lol
23:09] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> oh wait 
23:09] <[ROOS]Twinge> haha
23:09] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> yes i do
23:09] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> damn
23:09] <[ROOS]Twinge> You are either lying to us, again, or you cannot guarantee a thing.
23:09] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> calvinius
23:09] <[ROOS]Twinge> Can you claim otherwise?
23:09] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> you gave me your word the other day
23:09] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> a ceasefire
23:09] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> and peacetalks to begin monday
23:10] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> peace was never spoken of
23:10] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> and you didnt contact me until today
23:10] <Calvinius> Yes, that was unauthorized and not documented launching
23:10] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> meanwhile the ceasefire ended on your side
23:10] <The_Jack_of_Clubs> trebor scares me
23:10] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> it doesnt matter cal
23:10] <The_Jack_of_Clubs> i dunno if hes angry or happy
23:10] <Calvinius> Heinzi was supposed to cover the talks
23:10] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> the point is that you were unable to control your team
23:10] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> and your word was broken
23:10] <Calvinius> You have what I say, you can take it or leave it
23:10] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> whether by you or by others
23:11] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> it has lost its value
23:11] <[ROOS]Voice> hello all
23:11] <Calvinius> Ok
23:11] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> now you want me to trust you again?
23:11] <Sinfinity> what up voice
23:11] <[ROOS]TreborSr|Paragon> and yet you offer nothing
23:11] <Calvinius> Then there is no point in my discussion here
23:11] * Calvinius has left #roos